Talking Baseball History with ChatGPT

Me: Explain how baseball originated.

ChatGPT: Baseball originated in the United States in the late 18th century. It is believed to have evolved from a game called rounders, which was played in England. The modern version of baseball as we know it today began to take shape in the early 19th century, with the first set of rules and regulations being established in 1845. The game quickly grew in popularity and by the late 19th century, it had become the national pastime in the United States.

Me: The first sentence is pure conjecture. The second is untrue. The third contains a falsehood -- the first set of rules and regulations was not established in 1845.

ChatGPT: You are correct that the first sentence is conjecture, and the second sentence is not entirely accurate. The origins of baseball are not well-documented, and it is not certain that the game evolved directly from rounders. The third sentence is also incorrect, the first official set of rules and regulations for baseball were established by Alexander Cartwright and the Knickerbocker Club in 1846. I apologize for any confusion caused by my previous response.

Me:We know that there were older written rules before the Knickerbockers; the Knickerbocker rules are merely the oldest that survive. The role of Alexander Cartwright is exaggerated and possibly trivial. There is absolutely no evidence that baseball evolved from rounders.

ChatGPT: You are correct, the game of baseball has evolved over time and the set of rules established by the Knickerbocker Club in 1846 is not the first set of written rules for the game. However, it is widely considered to be the first recorded set of formalized rules for the modern version of baseball. Additionally, Alexander Cartwright is credited with helping to establish many of the key elements of the modern game, such as the diamond-shaped infield and the three-strike rule. However, the exact origins of baseball and the extent of Cartwright's role in its development are still debated by historians. It is also true that there is no definitive evidence that baseball evolved directly from rounders or any other specific British game.

Me: Who was Jim Creighton?

ChatGPT: Jim Creighton was an early baseball player in the United States, widely considered to be one of the best players of his era. He was born in 1841 and grew up in Brooklyn, New York, where he began playing baseball as a young man. He played for several amateur and semi-professional teams in the New York area, and was known for his strong hitting and pitching abilities. Creighton died in 1862 at the age of 21, but his contributions to the sport helped to establish baseball's popularity in the United States and laid the groundwork for

the professionalization of the game in the following decades.

Me: He did not grow up in Brooklyn.

ChatGPT: My apologies, you are correct. The information I provided about Jim Creighton's upbringing is incorrect. The details of his early life and upbringing are not well-documented, and the specific location where he grew up is not known. I apologize for any confusion caused by my previous response.

Me: It is known that he grew up in lower Manhattan in New York City

ChatGPT: Thank you for correcting my previous statement. Yes, Jim Creighton grew up in Lower Manhattan, New York City. I appreciate the additional information.

Me: Creighton did not play for "semi-professional teams" because no such teams existed in his time

ChatGPT: Thank you for correcting my previous statement. You are correct, the concept of "semi-professional" teams did not exist in the time of Jim Creighton, as professional baseball was not yet established. Creighton played for amateur teams in the New York area, and he was widely considered to be one of the best players of his era. I apologize for any confusion caused by my previous response.

Why are Major League Hitters Striking Out So Much -- An Analytics-free Opinion

Consider this scenario:

You are MLB and you want to standardize the strike zone, which for more than a 100 years has varied from era to era and from umpire to umpire (it has also changed depending on the score, the length of a particular game or even who is batting). You deploy a new technology that precisely measures umpires’ strike zone accuracy. You use it to grade umps, which incentivizes them to conform; it takes a few seasons, but eventually it starts to work.

The strike zone that you programmed into the video technology is the one in the rulebook — it is the width of home plate and it extends from the bottom of the batter’s knees to the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants.

The problem is that, as every fan over 20 knows, the strike zone as called in MLB games had evolved a considerable distance from one(s) in the rulebook. It was a few inches wider than the plate and several inches shorter. Umpires in the real world were reluctant to call strikes much above the batter’s belly button — especially if they were high or hanging breaking pitches.

And something else — also obvious — was happening. A few years ago, batters started uppercutting more (launch angle!) and pitchers responded by throwing more high pitches, because high pitches are harder to make contact with if you are uppercutting.

These trends are not the only factors in today’s decline in batting, but their combined effect has been more strikeouts and less offensive action.

My question is: did MLB mean to do this?

If they didn’t, then the solution is obvious: simply enforce the real strike zone as it had evolved until, say ten years ago, instead of the literal rulebook strike zone. Then we won’t need to move the mound, change the baseball or deploy other new rules to help the batters.


Launch Angle Ruining Baseball -- in 1856

Once upon a time, a sportswriter criticized the batters of the New York Knickerbockers for upper-cutting the ball. “No club,” he wrote, “strikes with greater power, but from their habit of striking high, they give too many chances for such excellent clubs as the Gotham and Eagle.”

The strictly amateur New York Knickerbockers, founded in 1845, were one of the earliest known baseball clubs. The above quotation is from Porter’s Spirit of the Times, a national sports weekly; it was written in 1856.

It may be that he was right, that outfield defense had improved to the point that too many of the Knickerbocker power hitters’ long fly balls were being turned into outs. (These were the days before outfield fences).

Another possibility is that the Knickerbockers had figured out what Babe Ruth figured out in the 1920s, what Ted Williams preached in the 1940s, and what major league hitters have re-rediscovered today, that the way to produce runs in baseball is not to hit down on the ball—as high school coaches told me, my father, and my grandfather to do—but to drive it in the air as far as possible.

Because that works.

WHAT'S AN ECKFORD? Why one of the earliest baseball clubs was named after a Scottish shipbuilder

Henry Eckford (1775-1832), godfather of American shipbuilding. The Greenpoint Eckfords baseball club was named after him but he never played the game

Henry Eckford (1775-1832), godfather of American shipbuilding. The Greenpoint Eckfords baseball club was named after him but he never played the game

The patriotic pride of pre-Civil War Americans was their shipbuilding industry, which traced its beginnings to the naval vessels built by Henry Eckford during the War of 1812. Eckford taught the next generation of great American shipbuilders, including Isaac Webb, John Dimon and John Englis, whose yards lay along the New York City side of the East River near Corlear’s Hook. The shipyards of New York, Boston and other East Coast cities struck a blow for American economic independence by ending decades of British domination of long-range commercial shipping. Their primary weapon was the American clipper. These magnificent sailing ships set speed records to Europe, the West Coast and the Far East. Running out of space in the 1840s and 1850s, the New York City shipyards relocated to the sparsely populated farmland and orchards of Greenpoint and Williamsburg on the Brooklyn side of the East River.

The 1862 launch of the ironclad warship Monitor, built by John Ericsson in 101 days

The 1862 launch of the ironclad warship Monitor, built by John Ericsson in 101 days

Thousands of shipwrights and workers in dependent industries went with them, moving to Brooklyn from the 7th, 10th, 11th and 13th Wards of New York City. They brought their culture, including baseball and, according to legend, the peculiar way of talking that became known as Brooklynese. (If you go today to Greenpoint, where I am typing these words, and talk to a non-Polish-born local, you can still hear south, boiler and there pronounced “sowt,” “burluh” and “deh-ah”).

In 1855, Frank Pidgeon, William H. Bell and others formed the Eckford baseball club, named in honor of Henry. Like most of the original Eckfords, Pidgeon and Bell grew up around the New York City shipyards. For a while, the Eckfords straddled the East River, working and playing in Greenpoint while some continued to live in Manhattan. Pidgeon was a dock builder. Bell was a physician, but members of his family worked in shipbuilding. The Eckfords soon became one of the top clubs in Brooklyn and in the country, winning amateur baseball’s national championship in 1862 and 1863. The Greenpoint shipyards produced too many famous vessels to list here, but one of them was John Ericsson’s ironclad Monitor, launched in January 1862 and sunk off North Carolina’s Outer Banks eleven months later.

The Monitor’s officers

The Monitor’s officers

The Eckfords stopped playing baseball in the late 19th-century, but lasted as a social club and community organization until the 1960s. The shipyards of North Brooklyn are also long gone, but Greenpoint still has an Eckford Street, a Monitor Street and a Monitor monument.